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Title: Status of Financier development
Post by: Alex on January 19, 2017, 07:04:37 PM
Nothing to report. Life is busy (isn't it always). No changes in commitment to Financier though, but for those of you that aren't familiar, development occurs in cycles. :parrot:

I don't know about you guys, but I am loving using Financier daily for my personal budget.

Scheduled transactions is 40% done, I'd say. Lots of work on the underlying sync mechanism to make conflict resolution better.

I am hoping to get a minor release with bug fixes and translation updates sooner rather than later.

Don't be afraid of the quiet in the forums, lol. :)
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: MacMichael on January 19, 2017, 07:32:05 PM
Thanks for the update.  I think many of us would like for you to wave a magic wand and make Financier a finished product.  Knowing that can't happen, it is comforting when you post progress updates on the forum.  I really appreciate Financier in its current state and really look forward to more enhancements.
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: ottyacat on January 19, 2017, 07:32:33 PM
Thanks for the update, nice to hear scheduled transactions is progressing.

I too am enjoying using financier on a day to day basis.

Thanks again for your hard work.
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: grom on January 20, 2017, 04:29:52 PM
Thanks for the update.
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: NeV3rKilL on January 23, 2017, 05:07:34 AM
Thanks for the update.

Glad to ear that scheduled transactions are incoming. This is, together with the click on budget to see expenses, the most important upgrades Financier needs to remove the entry barrier.
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: machei on January 24, 2017, 09:44:13 AM
Don't forget a transaction entry app for mobile. The inability to easily enter transaction data while on the go on my iPhone is the last barrier for me.  ;)
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: jmack on January 25, 2017, 10:09:26 PM
I'm in the same boat, a mobile app is pretty essential. Scheduled transactions are a close second.

In any case, I just paid my subscription to Financier in hopes that it will help urge Alex to keep developing. I'm really impressed!
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: fshelton79 on January 27, 2017, 02:52:29 AM
Update is much appreciated and very much understood considering it's a one man show.
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: ColinG on January 27, 2017, 08:32:58 AM
Yes Alex does a great job but I must admit it is the "one man show" thing that worries me. Is there absolutely no back-up should our worthy dev become unable to work on the software (long or short term)?
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: Paul on January 27, 2017, 08:43:16 AM
Yes Alex does a great job but I must admit it is the "one man show" thing that worries me. Is there absolutely no back-up should our worthy dev become unable to work on the software (long or short term)?

I do very much understand this concern. I am hopeful it will matter much less once the key promised priority developments are in place (for me personally that means scheduled transactions and a usable mobile) - so long of course as the online sync engine and store can be kept in operation.
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: machei on January 27, 2017, 09:42:59 AM
Agreed. It seems like there are a handful of 'critical' features (such as scheduled transactions, mobile app, and more robust reporting) that still need to be implemented. But once those are there, and everything's solid, it's iterative additions to functionality and just making sure the sync engine stays online. I imagine that actual development work once the big things are handled can move to minimal levels, and could easily be offloaded to a community (as Alex has said he'd do if he was ever unable to continue for whatever reason--may that never happen!  ;D ).

I'm super-hyped to begin using this full-time once the mobile app makes its appearance. I'm still on YNAB4 because of the mobile app alone, but the silly YNAB4 desktop app is getting buggy for me, and I fear the end is nigh. YNAB4 won't be usable by the end of the year, I'll wager.
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: Paul on January 27, 2017, 09:49:01 AM
@machal
I'm switching full time to Financier on 1 February when my nYNAB sub expires - just using the mobile app to view category balances for now, rather than making transaction entries on the go.

Scheduled transactions can then be added once Alex is ready.

I use reporting about once a year (tax etc) so I can live without that in the shorter term.

Slightly nervous but on the whole feeling good about taking the final plunge!
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: Billy_McSkintos on January 27, 2017, 10:00:45 AM
I worked with YNAB4 and Financier in parallel before making the switch full time Jan 1 and don't regret it. I could have stayed on YNAB4 but it was time consuming to double entry and I wanted to commit to Financier.

Yes, I miss scheduled transactions and click-budget-category-outgoing but the tradeoff of not being nYNAB is so worth it.
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: machei on January 27, 2017, 11:06:23 AM
@machal
I'm switching full time to Financier on 1 February when my nYNAB sub expires - just using the mobile app to view category balances for now, rather than making transaction entries on the go.

Well, if YNAB4 really does give up the ghost for me, I'll be here full-time, mobile app or not. In that event, I'd just have to use Siri to note what I spent and where and input it when I get home (I use a lot of cash, still... but even with credit, I input at time of purchase... it's awesome to be able to do that, especially since I don't let my bank anywhere near my finance app).

I've got a few year's worth of data in YNAB, but the importer seemed to chew through that well when I tried. Moving over isn't anything I'm nervous about--I'm just waiting so I can minimize the impact on my deeply-ingrained workflows. :)
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: Paul on January 27, 2017, 11:11:49 AM
@machal
I'm switching full time to Financier on 1 February when my nYNAB sub expires - just using the mobile app to view category balances for now, rather than making transaction entries on the go.

(I use a lot of cash, still... but even with credit, I input at time of purchase... it's awesome to be able to do that, especially since I don't let my bank anywhere near my finance app).
 :)

Yes - understood in your scenario. I barely use cash at all - just gather up my slips and enter when I get home. Its a habit now so does not seem painful.
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: Joel on January 27, 2017, 11:37:39 AM
Moving over isn't anything I'm nervous about--I'm just waiting so I can minimize the impact on my deeply-ingrained workflows. :)

Me too.

Once the mobile app breaks at YNAB4, those deeply-ingrained workflows are shot, so that will make the decision to switch easier.
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: michaelmjd on January 27, 2017, 04:00:15 PM
I agree with everything said here.

I'm totally in once the mobile app is working. Plus, I have 4 college kids I'll encourage to sign up with Financier too.
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: nchrtd on February 04, 2017, 02:35:48 AM
Yes Alex does a great job but I must admit it is the "one man show" thing that worries me. Is there absolutely no back-up should our worthy dev become unable to work on the software (long or short term)?
This concern is the barrier for me at the moment. I'm still using YNAB4, which works fine for now and for at least a while more, but I'd like to switch to Financier and I've paid the fee. I have no trouble with cyclic development, it's the long term that's holding me back.

Financier is very impressive already, but I'd be very interested in hearing Alex' thoughts on this 8)

edit: I'd love to pay for an account or two more, btw, so I have no issues with supporting this as far as I possibly can (wish I could do some actual coding help, which I can't though  :P )
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: Mike on February 04, 2017, 09:52:41 AM
Yes Alex does a great job but I must admit it is the "one man show" thing that worries me. Is there absolutely no back-up should our worthy dev become unable to work on the software (long or short term)?
This concern is the barrier for me at the moment. I'm still using YNAB4, which works fine for now and for at least a while more, but I'd like to switch to Financier and I've paid the fee. I have no trouble with cyclic development, it's the long term that's holding me back.

Financier is very impressive already, but I'd be very interested in hearing Alex' thoughts on this 8)


Alex has commented on this in previous posts.
https://discuss.financier.io/index.php?topic=204.msg1449#msg1449
https://discuss.financier.io/index.php?topic=61.msg1152#msg1152

Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: nchrtd on February 05, 2017, 03:44:17 AM
Alex has commented on this in previous posts.
https://discuss.financier.io/index.php?topic=204.msg1449#msg1449
https://discuss.financier.io/index.php?topic=61.msg1152#msg1152
Right you are! I assumed otherwise based on this thread alone. Apologies.

Thanks for pointing those replies out to me!
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: isildo on February 24, 2017, 12:51:54 PM
@Alex, how are the scheduled transactions coming?
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: ColinG on February 26, 2017, 11:12:42 AM
Have asked the same question under the Development Expansion thread. No response there either :-(

Alex must be busy.
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: ColinG on February 28, 2017, 10:33:02 AM
Alex does not appear very active on these forums of late. Is he ok do we know?
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: Paul on February 28, 2017, 10:41:58 AM
I'll bet he has got his head down working hard on those scheduled transactions (and moving home)! I do understand that it's always problematical for a developer to go public with any form of ETA when there can be so many unknowns ahead to trip him up!

Meanwhile I have been thoroughly enjoying my 100% conversion from YNAB to Financier ...
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: ColinG on February 28, 2017, 10:46:27 AM
Good for you and of course you are entitled to your views. I have far too many scheduled transactions to even consider a manual approach. I get very jittery when the sole developer is absent from the website for whatever reason.
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: Paul on February 28, 2017, 11:04:01 AM
@ColinG Apologies if I have offended you. Not intended!

You made me think about my scheduled transactions (which I made a list of from YNAB to keep me on track in Financier). There are 35 of them each month plus some others which are annual. In other people's experience is that about average or on the low side?
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: michaelmjd on February 28, 2017, 11:09:49 AM
As someone who pastors a small rural church without a staff and also works occasional side projects for extra income, I can relate to Alex being stretched thin with all of the "hats" he is wearing. Of course, since many of us are paying customers, there is an expectation on our part to see some progress or at least to get a status report, which only adds to the pressure.

Maybe it would be good for Alex to consider bringing on a partner that, at the very least, can be active here on the forums with answering questions and providing some (any) kind of feedback. This would allow Alex to keep to his (busy) schedule and to help alleviate any concerns some have and to dispel fears that it their needed feature won't get done.

At the first of the year, I had intended to go with Financier completely (and even paid for a subscription), but with the lack of a way to do mobile (it's truly unusable on my phone), I have had to go back to YNAB4. I check the forums every day to check on the progress but, as of late, there's very little being discussed.

I am sure most would agree that we really want to see this project succeed and so I think, in my opinion, having another person to keep us up to date is something that needs to be considered so that we all continue to stay on board.
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: ColinG on February 28, 2017, 11:12:47 AM
No offence taken, Paul :-)

I reckon my scheduled transactions are around the 35 to 40 mark. Personally I have no intention of inputting them manually. I was on YNAB and am currently using Goodbudget as an alternative - I will never go back to YNAB. GB is pretty good but I do miss the ability to budget for next month. However if that is the cost of automatic scheduling then so be it. That is why I am keen to know how the development is going and why I do (perhaps unnecessarily) worry about single developer software.
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: Alex on February 28, 2017, 06:04:23 PM
Hi guys! Sorry about the concerns. :) Rest assured I'm still here, just busy as usual.

At this point, I'm not looking to bring on other people. While I realize development of Financier is important to people (as it is to me), I urge you to use Financier for what it is (and not what it will become). Otherwise, I'm afraid you might be disappointed since I cannot please everyone. :)

I still use and maintain Financier every day, and none of that will change for the foreseeable future.

I'm looking forward to the road ahead, personally!
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: asromzek on February 28, 2017, 09:45:52 PM
I think I know what's been going on...
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: Billy_McSkintos on February 28, 2017, 11:28:03 PM
That looks like CNN livery, must be fake news.
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: Mike on March 01, 2017, 09:58:39 AM
I urge you to use Financier for what it is (and not what it will become). Otherwise, I'm afraid you might be disappointed since I cannot please everyone. :)

This is a wise statement. Unfortunately, what Financier is today will not work for me. I need several key features, primarily scheduled transactions and a mobile app. Estimating that each of these features will take several months of development time, it is probably best if I cancel my Financier subscription, continue with my YNAB subscription, then check back in a few months to see how things are going with Financier. Good luck everyone!
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: ColinG on March 01, 2017, 10:37:23 AM
Likewise (well similar) Mike. And Alex you have Scheduled Transactions as under development but appear to be saying that this functionality (along with other) might not make it to to release any time soon or at all. Sorry, but that really does render the software unsafe for my consumption. I need reliability in terms of performance, development and bug fixes. You really should get some help or open source the code imho.

Fortunately I did not subscribe or invest heavily in the learning curve so I just stop here. Shame though - it is a great but under-resourced idea.
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: ColinG on March 01, 2017, 10:42:15 AM
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Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: Paul on March 01, 2017, 10:56:08 AM
By way of balance @Alex - I am very happy to stick with Financier. Although - yes - I would like scheduled transactions and mobile I'll wait until they are completely ready!

The desktop version is doing most things that I need it to do for now but that's probably due to the manual workflow that I feel safe with i.e:
1) I enter any transactions after getting home most days - either on desktop or iPad
2) I then check my "on budget" accounts via my mobile banking apps and reconcile to the balances shown - picking up anything missed
3) Cross check to my scheduled transaction list and quickly enter anything that is up coming.
It sounds a lot but actually literally only takes 5 minutes a day and becomes a habit.

I totally get that this is not for everybody - so please don't shoot me down in flames!  It's just an alternative perspective and usage scenario.
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: Alex on March 01, 2017, 11:09:52 AM
@Paul I'm glad that strategy is working for you! 👍

@asromzek lol, pretty funny. :) 99.99% chance Financier will not be sold. It's very much a pet project, something I don't want to get rid of.

@ColinG and @Mike That's totally fair! Use the best tool for the job. If that's YNAB, I totally understand. :) Everyone has different requirements/use cases. No hard feelings, lol. Feel free to check up every now that then.

Thanks again guys!
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: asromzek on March 01, 2017, 11:10:50 AM
Just a few thoughts on how I see the difference in subscription models between Financier and YNAB...

$50 a year for YNAB is covering a variety of costs such as hosting, paying developers, paying support, advertising, buying Teslas, etc. It's a full fledged business with a lot of customers. $12 a year for Financier is mostly there to cover hosting costs for the website and for the syncing mechanism to work, for a much smaller user base.

I haven't gotten the impression that the $12 is going toward paying for development time, advertising, or anything other than keeping the lights on. If the price were to go up, then my expectations would change, but for now I don't feel as though I'm paying @Alex for any future functionality development. He put out a great product in less than a year (in his free time), and I have no doubt that he'll continue to improve it, understanding that some patience on my part is required.

I know how the side project development cycle goes... sprints of extreme progress jammed in between potentially long periods of life getting in the way.

With that said... @Alex, get to work! ;D
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: Paul on March 01, 2017, 11:17:03 AM

I haven't gotten the impression that the $12 is going toward paying for development time, advertising, or anything other than keeping the lights on. If the price were to go up, then my expectations would change, but for now I don't feel as though I'm paying @Alex for any future functionality development. He put out a great product in less than a year (in his free time), and I have no doubt that he'll continue to improve it, understanding that some patience on my part is required.

I know how the side project development cycle goes... sprints of extreme progress jammed in between potentially long periods of life getting in the way.

With that said... @Alex, get to work! ;D
Yup - that is exactly how I see it - well put. I feel a bit guilty pressing @Alex in anyway on this given the cost and the way he has explicitly positioned the project
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: Alex on March 01, 2017, 11:18:58 AM
I know how the side project development cycle goes... sprints of extreme progress jammed in between potentially long periods of life getting in the way.

Amen! ;) Thanks for the kind words!

@Paul The pushing is totally fine! In fact, it's helped me prioritize development. Split transactions, for example, are something I never use but implemented because you all wanted it. :)
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: ColinG on March 01, 2017, 11:23:52 AM
We all have differing expectations and I wish you all well. For me, it is very important that I keep my finances in order via a robustly supported piece of software rather than, using Alex's words, a pet project. Periods of inactivity followed by sprints does not work for me even if the quality of the coding is good. I would never go back to YNAB but there are others.

I'll check back in a few months but to be honest it is the philosophy/development model that does not sit comfortably in my world. Have fun guys and stay safe :-)
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: Alex on March 01, 2017, 11:30:05 AM
Thanks @ColinG!

Also, I should mention -- Yes, the $12 should be considered an informal 'guarantee' that Financier will continue to be accessible on the web, will have data durability (I maintain redundant backups, etc), and security. Financier is production ready -- data isn't going to go down the drain. :)

(Of course, as per other discussion, even if Financier does go offline I will provide you a data dump, it will be open sourced and because of the nature of the web app it can then be modified to be ran in a standalone environment. In other words, you will not lose data and access to Financier one way or another.) Note that this is just a situation I plan for but hope (and intend to the best of my ability) to never happen.

The cherry on top of the subscription, of course, is further development! ;)
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: asromzek on March 01, 2017, 11:54:51 AM
I know how the side project development cycle goes... sprints of extreme progress jammed in between potentially long periods of life getting in the way.

Amen! ;) Thanks for the kind words!

@Paul The pushing is totally fine! In fact, it's helped me prioritize development. Split transactions, for example, are something I never use but implemented because you all wanted it. :)

Not to mention yellow flags. That nearly took an act of congress.
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: Alex on March 01, 2017, 12:30:56 PM
"The yellow flags guy"
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: Joel on March 01, 2017, 01:39:16 PM

I haven't gotten the impression that the $12 is going toward paying for development time, advertising, or anything other than keeping the lights on. If the price were to go up, then my expectations would change, but for now I don't feel as though I'm paying @Alex for any future functionality development. He put out a great product in less than a year (in his free time), and I have no doubt that he'll continue to improve it, understanding that some patience on my part is required.

I know how the side project development cycle goes... sprints of extreme progress jammed in between potentially long periods of life getting in the way.

With that said... @Alex, get to work! ;D
Yup - that is exactly how I see it - well put. I feel a bit guilty pressing @Alex in anyway on this given the cost and the way he has explicitly positioned the project

This is where I stand as well. In order to switch from YNAB4, I have to accept the software as is (even though I fully support future development and Alex!). I'm not ready to make that jump until a) Financier gets a functioning mobile app or b) YNAB4's mobile app no longer works (which may happen in June/July). Scheduled transactions and OFX import capabilities are pretty important to me as well, so if Financier has a mobile app but no scheduled transactions or OFX import capabilities - I'll have to decide how I want to proceed.

@Alex - You have my full support (and patience). Keep kicking ass!
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: machei on March 08, 2017, 09:31:46 AM
Someone on the YNAB forums is now giving June as the time where mobile sync through Dropbox will stop working based on this article:

https://blogs.dropbox.com/developers/2016/06/api-v1-deprecated/

So I guess mobile app or not, that's when many will move over to Financier, myself included. The only reason I'm still with YNAB at all is the ability to enter transactions on the go. If that doesn't work, then there's no reason to not jump ship.

Hope springs eternal that a Financier mobile app is not far off that mark.  ;)
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: Sunflash on March 08, 2017, 11:53:18 AM
On reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/financier/comments/5witf8/fancier_mobile_app_or_alternative/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/financier/comments/5witf8/fancier_mobile_app_or_alternative/)) Alex says it wouldn't be too hard to create a google form as a workaround until a mobile web app is developed. I have no idea how a google form would sync with Financier's couchdb/pouchdb, but if someone could figure that out I imagine it would be of great use.

@Alex mentioned that the database is at app.financier.db (http://app.financier.db) but I have no idea how to send a "signal" to pouchdb's "changes feed" to update a certain budget.
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: Alex on March 08, 2017, 11:55:26 AM
You shouldn't need to worry about the changes feed -- just need to create a transaction document.

The 'hard part' would be querying for the IDs of categories and payees, and creating a payee if needed.

Again, 'hard' because it wouldn't be terribly hard. :)
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: Joel on March 08, 2017, 02:06:42 PM
There have also been some recent developments where Pocket Sense is no longer working to import transactions from <a href="https://forum.youneedabudget.com/discussion/comment/714002#Comment_714002">Citibank and Discover</a>. If I'm no longer able to seamlessly import transactions to reconcile and the mobile app stops working, I will likely make the switch to Financier even without scheduled transactions. I am hoping for scheduled transactions and the mobile app sooner rather than later though. :)

I'm also hoping that the Pocket Sense issues with Citibank and Discover are resolved.
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: Whatsup on March 08, 2017, 07:57:56 PM
Someone on the YNAB forums is now giving June as the time where mobile sync through Dropbox will stop working based on this article:

https://blogs.dropbox.com/developers/2016/06/api-v1-deprecated/

So I guess mobile app or not, that's when many will move over to Financier, myself included. The only reason I'm still with YNAB at all is the ability to enter transactions on the go. If that doesn't work, then there's no reason to not jump ship.

Hope springs eternal that a Financier mobile app is not far off that mark.  ;)

I"m in the same boat. However I did e-mail YNAB some months ago(around December I think) and was told that they intend to update YNAB to support V2 of the API barring hitting any significant hurdles. Now personally I'm taking that with a grain of salt or two. An announcement would be released closer to that time was what I was told.

For me I'm very keen for financiar to implement both scheduled transactions and mobile input. Because even if YNAB update the software to support the V2 API, its only a matter of time when an IOS update will kill it for me, i'm expecting IOS 11 to kill it but who knows. So I really need an alternative with mobile support.  So crosses fingers and prays to Alex  ;D
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: machei on March 09, 2017, 11:14:00 AM
Someone on the YNAB forums is now giving June as the time where mobile sync through Dropbox will stop working based on this article:

https://blogs.dropbox.com/developers/2016/06/api-v1-deprecated/

So I guess mobile app or not, that's when many will move over to Financier, myself included. The only reason I'm still with YNAB at all is the ability to enter transactions on the go. If that doesn't work, then there's no reason to not jump ship.

Hope springs eternal that a Financier mobile app is not far off that mark.  ;)

I"m in the same boat. However I did e-mail YNAB some months ago(around December I think) and was told that they intend to update YNAB to support V2 of the API barring hitting any significant hurdles. Now personally I'm taking that with a grain of salt or two. An announcement would be released closer to that time was what I was told.

For me I'm very keen for financiar to implement both scheduled transactions and mobile input. Because even if YNAB update the software to support the V2 API, its only a matter of time when an IOS update will kill it for me, i'm expecting IOS 11 to kill it but who knows. So I really need an alternative with mobile support.  So crosses fingers and prays to Alex  ;D

Eh. I wouldn't trust Jesse as far as I can throw him these days. He's got his own agenda and he'll stick to it at the expense of anything else. That much has been proven over and over again. I honestly can't wait to get away from YNAB. I just depend *so* heavily on mobile transaction entry that it would be painful to lose it before I absolutely need to (and hopefully will never need to).
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: asromzek on March 09, 2017, 02:00:07 PM
I've picked up the habit of entering transactions and reconciling daily, usually in the evening or on my lunch break. Staying on track has been easy as long as we don't get a week or more behind. Since we review our budget daily, we always have a rough idea of where our category balances are at any given time. It's not total precision, but close enough.
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: Paul on March 09, 2017, 02:03:55 PM
I've picked up the habit of entering transactions and reconciling daily, usually in the evening or on my lunch break. Staying on track has been easy as long as we don't get a week or more behind. Since we review our budget daily, we always have a rough idea of where our category balances are at any given time. It's not total precision, but close enough.
Agreed - that is exactly what I do. It becomes a quick and easy habit
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: machei on March 10, 2017, 08:49:41 AM
I've picked up the habit of entering transactions and reconciling daily, usually in the evening or on my lunch break. Staying on track has been easy as long as we don't get a week or more behind. Since we review our budget daily, we always have a rough idea of where our category balances are at any given time. It's not total precision, but close enough.

Yeah, that's my fallback. Right now, I'm on a three-day review cycle of transactions and things, and that has worked well for me. Going to daily would be inconvenient, but doable. I'm thinking there's got to be some way to easily get Siri to add a transaction note to notes or something so that I can at least get my amount and place at the time of spending, and then manually enter it into Financier later.
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: Billy_McSkintos on March 10, 2017, 10:26:42 AM
I usually enter/review daily too. Its become part of my morning routine and I kind of enjoy it!
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: Joel on April 29, 2017, 06:59:43 PM
Well, shoot. I've decided to cancel my subscription. Financier in its current form will not meet my needs, even when YNAB4 loses the mobile application. Bummer. I plan to keep an eye on it though in hopes of future development.
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: Paul on April 30, 2017, 01:51:23 AM
Me too I'm sad to say - I am transitioning to Banktivity 6 for Mac which is highly developed and at last has an envelope budgeting system that really works.
The only downside is that the (otherwise excellent) mobile apps do not support the envelopes and only standard budgeting- hopefully they will catch up though.
I have used this in parallel with Financier for a month and I'm content that I have found something that works for me and as a bonus keeps my data on my desktop whilst syncing well to mobile  via their own servers.
I looked very hard indeed but no other desktop apps did the envelope budgeting at all well.
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: Whatsup on April 30, 2017, 07:16:41 PM
Yup, I've given up too. I haven't found anything else yet, so looks like I'm going to have to rely on YNAB4 and do manual sync which is going to be a PIA.

@Joel , what are you going to use now? Stay with YNAB? nynab? Something Else??
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: Joel on May 01, 2017, 01:24:43 AM
I'm sticking with YNAB4 for now. I'm holding out hope that they keep the mobile application alive. If not, I will just keep using YNAB4 without the mobile application.
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: MacMichael on May 01, 2017, 08:39:52 AM
@Alex I hope you will step in here with a status update.  I don't want to join these fans leaving Financier so we need a reason to stick it out.  I can totally understand slow progress in the development whether it is from too busy at your day job, coding is more difficult than you originally thought, or even current lack of desire to work on Financier.  Your fans are afraid YNAB4 will crash and burn in June and are getting anxious to find a suitable replacement.  Please just let us know Financier is really progressing.  I am still doing double entry, Financier and YNAB4, and will continue doing so unless you indicate Financier is on hold.
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: asromzek on May 01, 2017, 09:43:09 AM
I wasn't going to mention anything yet since I'm not sure how much effort I'll be able to put into it, but I've been dabbling with building a mobile site for checking balances and entering transactions. Learning Angular from the ground up has been fun, but it's slow going. If I were to pull off building a simple mobile site, would that help sway anyone toward sticking with Financier?
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: machei on May 01, 2017, 09:57:21 AM
@Alex Please just let us know Financier is really progressing.  I am still doing double entry, Financier and YNAB4, and will continue doing so unless you indicate Financier is on hold.

He pretty much already has. This project is now classed as "minimum viable product". While there *might* be more stuff coming, don't hold your breath. There's no promise of anything more beyond the promise to keep what works today working. See this Reddit thread for info: https://www.reddit.com/r/financier/comments/61syds/so_who_here_is_using_this_as_their_fulltime/dfhw9hd/

Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: machei on May 01, 2017, 10:08:48 AM
I wasn't going to mention anything yet since I'm not sure how much effort I'll be able to put into it, but I've been dabbling with building a mobile site for checking balances and entering transactions. Learning Angular from the ground up has been fun, but it's slow going. If I were to pull off building a simple mobile site, would that help sway anyone toward sticking with Financier?

Instantaneously.

All I need is an iPhone app/mobile friendly way of entering transactions at point of purchase. I fully admit, I don't know the first thing about the difficulty level of what I'm asking for. No worries about commitments. At this point, being kicked in one nut by Jesse and the other by Alex, I have zero room for expectations anymore. Whatever happens, happens. Even if that's nothing at all.
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: Alex on May 01, 2017, 10:11:55 AM
Hi guys! So I hear you want a status update. Currently, I am putting all of my effort into my day job. That being said, I am taking time to keep Financier running smoothly (updating certs, maintaining backups, answering questions, etc). I hear some people are building 3rd party solutions (like @asromzek!) which is great.

But to be clear, not much dev work up to today. I would definitely like to get some progress on the mobile app at some point, but the next few months are crunch time at my day job (startup launch)! :parrot:
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: asromzek on May 01, 2017, 10:13:54 AM
But to be clear, not much dev work up to today. I would definitely like to get some progress on the mobile app at some point, but the next few months are crunch time at my day job (startup launch)! :parrot:

The race is on... :parrot:
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: Joel on May 01, 2017, 10:40:33 AM
I wasn't going to mention anything yet since I'm not sure how much effort I'll be able to put into it, but I've been dabbling with building a mobile site for checking balances and entering transactions. Learning Angular from the ground up has been fun, but it's slow going. If I were to pull off building a simple mobile site, would that help sway anyone toward sticking with Financier?

It's possible. I haven't given up hope on Financier...
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: Paul on May 01, 2017, 11:10:04 AM
I had not seen the Reddit thread. I must admit I am rather shocked. One of the two priorities announced before Christmas would have been enough for me to keep the faith (scheduled transactions or mobile said to be coming "soon").
Maybe I have built this up in my mind to more than was ever intended - but if I did then it seems there were a lot of others also indulging in their own wish fulfilment.
I admit @Alex that I felt one or two were being very harsh about the project over the past few months in these forums - now it seems that I am the one who must get real and stop always expecting the best from things.
Good luck for the future - I am sad for the resources you have expended on the website, forums, back end etc, maybe without a lasting return.
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: machei on May 01, 2017, 12:06:31 PM
Maybe I have built this up in my mind to more than was ever intended - but if I did then it seems there were a lot of others also indulging in their own wish fulfilment.

You were absolutely not alone. I was where you are now a month ago. @Alex mentioned he might put up a blog post or something to clarify, but that hasn't happened yet. I think it probably should, given how many people are still in the dark about expectations. I honestly think the phrase "coming soon" should be removed from anything to do with the site because it's misleading. But again, not my call. I was just the messenger--thanks for not shooting me.  ::)
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: Billy_McSkintos on May 01, 2017, 03:09:38 PM
@Alex Now there's no welcome look in your eyes when I reach for you, and now we're stating to criticize little things you do. It makes me just feel like crying, 'cause baby something beautiful is dyin'

Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: Whatsup on May 01, 2017, 05:09:30 PM
I wasn't going to mention anything yet since I'm not sure how much effort I'll be able to put into it, but I've been dabbling with building a mobile site for checking balances and entering transactions. Learning Angular from the ground up has been fun, but it's slow going. If I were to pull off building a simple mobile site, would that help sway anyone toward sticking with Financier?

I wouldn't rule it out, but at the same time I'm not sure. I don't really want to give up on what looks like the only other alternative to YNAB at this point. I'd certainly give it a try and see if I could make it work. But other factors may be an issue as well(scheduled transactions).

I have also considered taking a look at the mobile app entry, and TBH I haven't ruled out having a "fiddle" and try and mock something up. But I'm not a programmer, I can usually "hack" something together but I'm not sure I want something "hacked" together when I rely on something as much as I do with YNAB

Edit: But a big thumbs up for giving it a go!  :parrot:
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: Whatsup on May 29, 2017, 01:57:54 AM
Well with YNAB updating the mobile apps to support the new dropbox api, I'll continue to use that for the foreseeable future.

Given that state of Financier development and the fact the community by and large has lost faith and the forum no longer active there seems little point in *hoping* or is it deluding myself things will improve from here. Someone mentioned financiar as abandonware in a reddit post a month or so ago, I have to say it certainly seems that way..

Given the state of Financier I don't see any point with the "Financier is under active development" webpage, its facebook page, forums, reddit  - Perhaps it's time they were changed/removed so as not to mislead anyone in the future....

I was sooo looking forward to an alternative to YNAB the company and YNAB the software.  Disappointing ..... :'(


Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: ramblinwreck on June 19, 2017, 10:36:06 AM
Just wanted to put a voice of support here for Alex and Financier since everything seems to be negative these days (especially on /r/financier). I was willing to pay $12 a year for the features Financier advertised at the time I signed up, and it still does all those things for me. And it does them well. Do I look forward to transaction import and mobile? Absolutely. But c'mon guys there's nothing else even close to what Financier offers for TWELVE BUCKS, because if there were, we'd all be using that software instead.

Financier has been rock solid for me and I'm not jumping ship unless the software ceases to perform the function it performs today, or something better comes along. I don't anticipating either happening any time soon. Alex has made clear that he's keeping the servers going.

Alex, keep up the good work. I look forward to updates once you're able to get to them.
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: Whatsup on June 24, 2017, 08:54:19 PM
For anyone who is still looking for an alternative for YNAB4, there may be hope of another contender :parrot: ....https://www.reddit.com/user/throwawaykrama

Still waaaay off, and I would suggest that people not get overly excited, as we have seen how that can turn out..... However I certainly like some of the ideas, and it looks pretty good from the mock ups. Certainly something to keep an eye on over time.

Will be interesting to see how it pans out... :-\
Title: Re: Status of Financier development
Post by: Billy_McSkintos on June 29, 2017, 04:49:17 PM
I like the calendar of scheduled transactions (and scheduled transactions in general).